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[Travelbug]

I think the scammer is writting messages on this board to try and promote his scam. Be carefull looks to me like he may of multiplied into a second person or even a third. Pay attention to certain similaritites in some of these posts.

You know, It really urks me to see scammers take advantage of people just trying to make an honest living. While your being cleaned out or sent to jail the scammers sitting on a beach in Belize infront of his laptop spending your money and thinking of new ways to rip you off when you get out.

Before you decide to sign your life away to this company take a look at what this site has to say about this job.

http://www.worldprivacyforum.org/jobscamtimeline.html

Make your own decisions but be smart about it.

[casperella32]

OK I'm really worried now. After reading posts that said people had investigated it and it checked out I signed up, got cheques in the mail for my first "task". I've already signed the checks and just have to western union it. I feel like I'm already trapped. I guess I have to finish the task and not do it anymore. I just hope and pray nothing ever escalates and comes back to me. I wish I had waited until more negative posts had come in before I signed up!

[casperella32]

Well I attempted to completed the task and went on western union's website. They would'nt do the transfer until I called to verify some information. I explained what it is that I'm doing and they decided to cancel the transfer. She said that this is definately a scam and now I have to call my bank to inform them that the checks I deposited may be bogus and hope that they don't close my account. I'm so sick to my stomach over this, I wish I'd never gotten involved!!

[dotsdave]

If the checks you are talking about are the ones that came to you from "the customers", they are probably real, and you are already involved in the crime. Your best bet would be to seek the advice of a lawyer.

[adminpro2005]

Well hello everyone!!
I'm not that happy but I am back for a little bit of time.
If you don't remember my story I'm the one who got arrested for the fake money orders and traveler checks.
Well I went to court and I've been set free till after the new year then I will have my next hearing.
Here's some info for you guys:
As long as your signature is on the items your stuck you just signed what is believed to be a legal binding contract so your involved.
I'm facing years (I don't want to specify) in federal pen.
The only way to receive a reduced sentence is to give all the info you know about the other party as well as your PC's hard drive. Thats so they can prove you don't do this on a regular basis and that you didn't produce the fakes yourself. But keep in mind that only knocks off 3-5 years your still looking at anywhere from 1 month to 5 years. If all the info you give checks out, according to the DA and my lawyer I'll only spend a couple of days behind bars no more than 30 days. And 5 years on probation.
It's better then nothing. Also this depends on your judge the hard asses won't go for it but the compassionate ones will.

Just don't deal with any of those jobs online that they are asking you, someone whom they've never met, handle, physically handle their money.

and because of my situation I can't, legally, name names as to which company did this to me because they are under investigation and could be tipped off if I say something so all I can say legally is they sent me an email stating I needed to sign a contract and send it back and my "manager" will be in contact with me....

GOOD LUCK TO ALL THOSE THAT THINK WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS OK.
GOOD LUCK TO THOSE WHO JUST DON'T CARE.

DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU.

[Talitha]

Wow. That is all I have to say is Wow and it is a good thing that I didn't sign up with them when I first got the email. Something about it didn't seem right. I hope that you don't spend that much time in jail and hopefully your kids will be fine if you do happened to go to jail.

[fraud-fighter]

I guess these jerks are still hiring people to launder stolen money for them. I found this board because of posts I found on ebay from Victims who've lost thousands to "processing agents" who were hired by Ketler. If anyone thinks they are a legitmate company, you NEED to read this News Article.
It's from 2003, but it will explain what these thieves have been doing to people. YOU will be a victim as will the people sending you the money.
If you are currently working for them, you need to immediately turn yourself in. Law Enforcement WILL find you when the victims file complaints.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3730401/

[adminpro2005]

Thanx for the article wish I would've seen it before I got into any of my mess!!!

[fraud-fighter]

adminpro2005

I'm sorry you got into this mess. I hope they go easy on you. If it's any help, print the article I posted a link to. Give it to your attorney. Perhaps if the DA reads the article, they'll go easy on you and future victims?

For others that may have gotten involved in similar scams, you really should report your situation to the FBI or law enforcement.
From what I've read, those that come forward have a good chance of not having charges pressed against them. Your willingness to report this shows good faith and that you knowingly didn't get involved in something illegal. Whatever you do, don't forward money from now on. Save it, turn it over to the Feds or send it back.

Keep in mind that this isn't the only company name they use. There are many more and they have been doing this for YEARS; but they basically they all do the same thing. They hire people to launder ill gotten money and items.
Some have you ship stolen items overseas and request that you lie on the customs forms as to value or ask that you mark items as a "gift".
A legitmate company would never ask you to break the law.

If you think you know who they are, you're wrong.
All the info they've given you is fake. Even the names they give you for the Western Union wire transfers are fake and any bank info they give you.
Western Union cash transfers can be picked up ANYWHERE in the world and they use Fake ID.

If you've given them your bank info, close those accounts Immediately! Report that you're an identity theft victim to the 3 major credit bureaus, should they attempt to use your info to apply for credit or in some other scam.

If you see similar job offerings, PLEASE report them to the sites/boards they are posted on.
Help to keep other people safe from this horrible scam.
Perhaps someday they will return the favor and will post on a board and help to keep you from falling for a different scam.
If you post on other boards or feel this info will be useful to others, please post links to this topic on the other places you post.

[fraud-fighter]

Here are some good links worth reading.

http://www.lookstoogoodtobetrue.com/
The Job Scams link should be of particular interest.

Make sure to read as much of the site as possible and there are some
links within that go to other very informative sites.

This is another good page.
It's just one of the many online job sites, but I'm certain they all have similar warnings.

http://help.monster.com/besafe/

[sandybaby]

I signed up with this company about a month ago and received my first "task" about two weeks ago. It was $1000 in AmEx gift cheques that I was to cash and send $900 to the Ukraine. I did it. Yesterday I received a task through my Epassporte account for $600 and when I went to log on to my Epassporte account I found that my password had been changed. I requested a new password and I then let my manager know about it. She told me not to log on to the epassporte account again. That's when I decided that this is definitely a scam. I have contacted the FBI and the Secret Service. They told me that I need to close any account that may be linked to this company. I don't think there is much possibility of being arrested if you are upfront and honest with the authorities on your own. My advice to anyone who is already involved with this company is GET OUT while you can. If you haven't already signed up with them, DON'T!

[kjnyberg]

I to signed up with them but had a funny feeling. I told them I was quitting and they said that they had already sent my first assingment and I had to complete it. I received $875 in travlers checks. I was to cash them and forward the money to someone but instead I contacted American Express where the checks came from and they are investingating it. I still have the checks and it has been over a month. I tole them that I had contacted American Express and they tried to tell me that they are in good standing with everyone. I agree this is a scam. American Express said that this sounds like any other scam.

[sandybaby]

Did they give you a hard time about not working for them anymore? I just sent them an email today and I haven't heard anything back yet.

[kjnyberg]

No they just tried to play it off like they aren't doing anything wrong and that they are a good standing company.

[scott toaz]

Hey!
I just had an ebay transaction which involved KSF. They were acting as a front for somebody in Ukraine supposedly selling a trumpet on ebay. But of course they didn't represent it that way. They used an old email address that was no longer active and which they somehow got from the old user, whom I managed to track down and who had no idea what was going on. The auction listed them as a member in the U.S.A. which I suppose they are, but it didn't mention that they sell things for people abroad. They had me send my payment to one of their "account managers" who then western union'd the amount to the Ukraine, and who says that she has no idea about anything; says that she worked for KSF and they tell her who to send the payments to, that the company acts as an "intermediary" between buyers and sellers. I believe that by not actually receiving the money themselves, they avoid part of the liability for when things go wrong and people on one end or the other steal from the other party. But of course this means that their "account managers" must be absorbing part of that responsibility if not in fact then at least in principle. My take is that it is a huge scam and that a number of these auctions are fake from the get-go. If anyone has information such as the user id and email addresses, physical addresses where payments were sent and/or contacts were made, please send them to mailto:scotttoaz@hotmail.com so that I can use them in my prosecution of this case. I stongly encourage anyone thinking of working with KSF to reconsider. Also, I think that any posts to this board which are positive on KSF are probably plants written by someone with the company in one capacity or another, so please take them with a grain of salt. Thank You.
Scott